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Follower Chart Borderline Cases

9/7/2016

32 Comments

 
A follower chart is one where the day master is very very weak. Theory wise, it can have only one self star as a main qi and should not have any resource star including not even in the sub qi. If there is only a self star, it should not be the main qi of the month or day earthly branch. Otherwise, it will be a weak chart. I have also found that the resource stars in the storage or graveyard of the earth branches will not have any effect towards the strength of the day master since they are buried inside the earth.

If a chart has only a self star as a main qi without any resource star, then the chart is known as a fake follower chart. If there is no self star and no resource star at all, then it is a follower chart. Whether it is a fake follower or follower chart, we treat it as a strong chart that needs to be weaken further. A fake follower or follower chart is a special chart as most of the elements are positive in the natal chart.

I share below here 4 interesting charts that are borderline cases of fake follower or follower charts.
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Chart 1
The above gui day master chart has a self star ren in the year stem and a gui buried inside chen. There are two direct resource stars geng in the sub qi of the two si snakes but the sub qi geng stars are being countered by the bing stars sitting right beside them. Can the geng stars support the gui day master and cause it not to follow?
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Chart 2
The above 2nd chart too has a gui day master and a gui self star inside zi rat. The xin metal star buried inside the graveyard of xu dog will not be able to support the gui day master. Again, will the two geng stars cause it not to follow?
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Chart 3
The above 3rd chart too has a gui day master with one gui self star buried inside the storage of chen. Can the two geng stars prevent this gui day master from being a follower?
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Chart 4
Finally, this 4th chart has a ren day master and a gui self star in the year stem. The other gui star is buried inside chen. Again, will the two indirect resource geng stars cause it not to follow?

Which chart do you think is a follower, fake follower and which is not? This is very crucial because a follower chart is a superior chart with many positive stars in the natal chart but if it does not follow, then it becomes a weak chart with many negative stars. Further discussions will be made in a few days time. Anybody wishes to try?


​Updated on 17th July 2016


In all the above charts, all the gengs are very weak because they were countered by the bings sitting beside them. So, the gengs cannot strengthen the water day masters whatsoever. As such, all the water day masters will follow. Chart 1, 2 and 4 are fake followers while chart 3 is a follower chart. Well done Penny.

In fact, chart 4 belongs to a 63 year-old multi millionaire. As you can see, his fire wealth stars are strongly rooted.
32 Comments
Penny
9/7/2016 02:56:53 pm

Hi Lwee,

Have a go at it.
Charts 1, 2 and 4 are FFC.
Chart 3 is FC.

Tq for giving us an opportunity to participate. It's a good learning process indeed.




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Jenny19
30/11/2017 02:11:30 pm

Female born june 19 1976 at 6:10 am. She has a seasonal combination (wood). Does this make it a follower or fake follower chart? Thanks!

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Lwee
1/12/2017 02:36:00 am

Hi Jenny19,

Fake follower chart.

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Alicia
26/4/2018 01:22:10 pm

Is this a FC or FFC?
Female born 18 March 2015. 8:20am

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Lwee
14/1/2020 01:28:14 am

Hi Alicia,

This is a follower chart.

Warm regards, Lwee.

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Jack
31/1/2019 09:07:12 pm

Aug 6 year 88 丑time

Is this fake follower ?

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Lwee
14/1/2020 01:07:22 am

Hi Jack,

Yes, this is a fake follower chart.

Warm regards, Lwee.

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Tan Waylen link
13/6/2019 10:30:16 pm

Hi Lwee,
May i ask my brother born on 29 Dec 2002 at 0416 would it be a fake follower? bc the geng in hour isnt rooted and wood counters the earth, but abit unsure bc Hidden comb of jia n ji to form earth ?

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Lwee
14/1/2020 01:00:29 am

Hi Tan Waylen,

Your chart is a weak chart because your day master is sitting on a resource star.

Warm regards, Lwee.

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kino
11/8/2019 05:03:06 pm

female born in 11 june 1997 23:50, is she follower or fake follower?

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Lwee
14/1/2020 12:55:06 am

Hi Kino,

Your chart is a weak chart because your birth hour is the zi water hour which is your resource star.

Warm regards, Lwee.

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Gaan
16/1/2020 10:51:31 pm

Hi Lwee,

I have same birthdate and time as the above Jenny's chart. Female, born on 19/06/1976 6am in Bangkok. I have a wood seasonal combo in my chart. Would like to know whether my chart is also considered as fake follower or weak with strong wood/fire because in Bangkok June is mid-rainy season. Thank you.

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Alex Wong
12/3/2021 11:58:01 pm

You have 1 self star and no resource star. This is a fake follower chart.

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Alex
5/3/2020 03:39:01 am

Male born Aug 7 1986 12.00pm.
Is this Follower or Fake Follower?

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Alex Wong
4/10/2020 12:22:03 am

This is a follower chart.

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Sue
26/4/2020 12:56:11 am

Hi, female born 17/9/83 5am. Weak chart or follower chart? Tq in adv

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Alex Wong
4/10/2020 12:16:20 am

Yes, your chart is a follower chart.

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Alex Ho
4/10/2020 04:22:52 am

Hi, male born 18/8/86 10am. Is it a weak chart or follower chart? Thanks alot in advance

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Alex Wong
15/10/2020 11:20:30 pm

This is a fake follower chart.

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Alex Ho
16/10/2020 01:52:54 am

Hi Alex, may I know why you think it's a fake follower chart? There are no resource stars and the geng yin clash removes the wood rooting

victoria
17/12/2020 05:43:17 am

Hi Lwee,
female born 11 am 15 aug 1998. is it a weak chart or a follower chart?

Thank you in advance :)

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Alex Wong
5/1/2021 12:46:24 am

This is a fake follower chart.

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Bill
29/12/2020 07:36:14 pm

Hi Alex. Thank you for interesting information.
Could you please tell if a male (with Yin Fire DM) born on 22.10.1976 in rat hour (near midnight to 23.10) is a FC or FFC? Thanks a lot in advance!

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Alex Wong
5/1/2021 12:43:52 am

This is FFC Chart

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Rafael
20/1/2021 10:54:23 am

What about this chart, male 6 july 1994, 9.30 am
Hour Day Month Year
Ding Gui Geng Jia
Si Si Wu Xu
FC or FFC or just weak chart?

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Alex Wong
12/3/2021 11:55:13 pm

This is a weak chart. It cannot be a follower chart because of resource star, Geng is in the stem.

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Tammy
1/4/2021 11:07:14 pm

Hello, can you please help me to decide if the charts below are weak or fake followers?
- Feb 13, 2004, 5:21am male. There is resource but it’s clashed by the tiger.
- Mar 17, 1977, 6:03am female. There is resource but it’s clashed on both sides.

Thank you,
Tammy

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Alex Wong
21/4/2021 10:46:40 pm

Hi Tammy! Both charts are weak chart.

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Anna
1/7/2021 10:13:55 pm

Confused about my DM's strength. My dob is 10.12.1976, 7:13 a.m. My chart has 1 self element with little resource in sub-qi. Is Resource counteracted by Wealth so it is a follower chart?
Thank you for time!

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Alex Wong
5/6/2022 11:25:32 pm

This is a weak chart.

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Yen
24/8/2021 10:35:22 am

Hy.. plz tell me this is follower chart or weak chart
Female 30 sep 2018 19:30 west ndonesia time

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Alex Wong
5/6/2022 10:40:06 pm

This is a follower chart.

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